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Fw: [gnu.org #1985209] [inquiry] Questions about several articles of GPLv3
by 郭雪雯 08 Nov '23

08 Nov '23

FYI. 先转发给各位专家和成员FSF的初步回复（无具体反馈）郭雪雯 Vanessa 法务与知识产权部 | 开放原子开源基金会地址：北京经济技术开发区科谷一街8号院8号楼22层2201 This email message (with attachment, if any) is from OpenAtom Foundation. It may contain proprietary and confidential information meant solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Please keep confidential and do not disclose any or all information contained herein to any third party without prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this original message and all attachments. Thank you. From: Krzysztof Siewicz via RT Date: 2023-11-08 19:03 To: vanessa Subject: [gnu.org #1985209] [inquiry] Questions about several articles of GPLv3 Hello, On Wed Oct 18 04:59:08 2023, vanessa(a)openatom.org wrote: > Dear colleagues of the Free Software Foundation(FSF) : > Thanks for writing in and for your interest in the FSF's GNU General Public Licenses. > Hope this message finds you well! We are members working on a long- > term translation project named “Contransus™” initiated and hosted by > the OpenAtom Foundation, a Chinese not-for-profit open source > foundation established in 2020. > The project is aiming at bringing consensus in open source among > people speaking different languages via translation, and first of all > by offering, for public and for free, credible Chinese translation of > popular OSS licenses. We generally like the idea of bringing consensus about free software licensing and we admire your effort to bring more understanding about the GNU GPLv3 to non-English speaking people. We will try to help, but our resources are limited. We also think there are important caveats for such a translation project. As you are most certainly aware, licenses are legal text applied ultimately by courts. Presenting a court with a translation brings yet another layer to the already complicated problems of license application. Therefore, the FSF has never approved a translation of our licenses as official, for reasons stated in: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/translations.html.en On that page we link to some unofficial translations, which include Chinese translations, that you might want to check. Would you be so kind and explain more how do you want to handle legal issues resulting from the existence of a published translation of the GNU GPLv3? Can you elaborate more on the message you plan to accompany your translation with? > To achieve this, we called for candidate translation scripts from the > community and established a Review Panel of Experts with competence > (in regard to both languages, law and open source) to work > collaboratively in reviewing and revising translation scripts line by > line. So far we have reviewed and approved credible translation > scripts of the MIT License, the 3-Clause BSD and Apache-2.0, while the > GNU GPL licenses (GPLv3, AGPLv3, LGPLv3 and GPLv2) are expected to be > done by Q1 of 2024. > > In revising translation script of the GNU GPLv3 (FYI, see: Translation > Draft and Review Minitues[CN]), our panel raised some unsettled > questions, for which we are writing to seek from you, the steward of > the License, kind opinions, clarification and interpretation: > > > > 1. Re Article 3: “When you convey a covered work, you waive any legal > power to forbid circumvention of technological measures to the extent > such circumvention is effected by exercising rights under this License > with respect to the covered work, and you disclaim any intention to > limit operation or modification of the work as a means of enforcing, > against the work's users, your or third parties' legal rights to > forbid circumvention of technological measures.” > Question: There are two understandings in regard to the relation > between “limit (users’) operation or modification of the work” and > “enforcing ... legal right to forbid circumvention”: > 1) “limit (users’) operation or modification of the work” is a means > for “enforcing ... legal right to forbid circumvention”; or > 2) “enforcing ... legal right to forbid circumvention” should be a > means to “limit (users’) operation or modification of the work”. > Please advise which one is more accurate. > > 2. Re Article 8: "Termination of your rights under this section does > not terminate the licenses of parties who have received copies or > rights from you under this License. If your rights have been > terminated and not permanently reinstated, you do not qualify to > receive new licenses for the same material under section 10.” > Question: The phrase “same material” herein has no specific > definition elsewhere in the license. We wonder if it is correct to > translate it, in light of the context, as a reference to “any > materials” in which “your rights have been terminated and not > permanently reinstated”? > We believe that this part is to make clear that an disqualified > licensee could not get his license renewed simply by receiving another > version of the program. > > 3. Re Article 11: > A “contributor” is a copyright holder who authorizes use under this > License of the Program or a work on which the Program is based. The > work thus licensed is called the contributor's “contributor version”. > A contributor's “essential patent claims” are all patent claims owned > or controlled by the contributor, whether already acquired or > hereafter acquired, that would be infringed by some manner, permitted > by this License, of making, using, or selling its contributor version, > but do not include claims that would be infringed only as a > consequence of further modification of the contributor version. For > purposes of this definition, “control” includes the right to grant > patent sublicenses in a manner consistent with the requirements of > this License. > Understandings: > While the “contributor” refers to copyright holder of the Program or a > copyrightable upstream portion of the Program (a work on which the > Program is based), there are two understandings: > 1. the “contributor version” should refer to the contribution portion > made by the contributor (in case of the first contributor, his > contribution version could be the Program). As shown in the following > graph: > * “contribution version by B = the Program - the contribution version > by A” > * “contribution version by C = the Covered Work - the Program (i.e. > the contribution version by A and B)” . > 2. the “contributor version” should refer to the whole Program/covered > work incoporating the contributor’s contribution. As shown in the > following graph: > * “contribution version by B = the Program” > * “contribution version by C = the Covered Work” > > Questions: > Further to the first understanding: whether the “essential patent > claims” cover claims that would be infringed by the combination of > contributor version and the rest parts contributed by others? For > example, if a patent claim is infringed by the combination (rather > than individually) of A’s contribution and B’s contribution, would it > be granted by A if it owned/controlled by A? Or by B if it is > owned/controlled by B? Or by neither in any case? > Further to the second understanding: should a contributor grant his > patent in regard to contribution made by his upstream developer? For > example, if B holds a patent claim which is infringed only by > contribution made by A, does B grant such claim to C under this > License? > > 4. Re HOW TO APPLY THESE TERMS TO YOUR NEW PROGRAMS: “You should also > get your employer (if you work as a programmer) or school, if any, to > sign a “copyright disclaimer” for the program, if necessary.” > Question: Two types of “copyright disclaimer” could be relevant: 1) > the employer disclaims that it has no copyright/interest in the > contribution while such contribution is purely personally made by the > employee, and 2) the employer disclaims its copyright in the > contribution while the contribution may belong to “work made for hire” > and copyrighted by the employer in default. We wonder if the phrase > “copyright disclaimer” should cover type 1) , 2) or both? > The FSF does not give legal advice. We believe that the best way to answer your questions would be to ask a lawyer active in a jurisdiction for which you want to have a resolution of those issues. From our side, we can share educational materials covering our intention, rationale, and interpretation of the licenses, such as https://gplv3.fsf.org/ or https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html.en Additionally, after reading your e-mail and reviewing your website (English version), we would like to kindly draw your attention to the fact that although the terms "open source" and "free software" denote almost the same set of computer programs, they mean different things. We discourage the use of the term "open source" for reasons stated, for example, in: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html We would like ask you to be mindful of the moral message you communicate in your publications, including the translations that you work on, apart from considering all legal implications that follow from publishing a translation of licenses. > > > > > > We deeply appreciate your time and help! Please feel free to contact > us if you have any comments or suggestions. > > > Sincerely yours, > > > Lotus Wang > Vanessa Guo > Contransus™ Project > OPENATOM FOUNDATION -- Best, Krzysztof Siewicz | Licensing and Compliance Manager, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: 6DC9 E663 36DB 9588 81AB 7E43 2671 24EF FC9C D84E https://fsf.org Submit your session for LibrePlanet 2024: https://u.fsf.org/40g US government employee? Use CFC charity code 63210 to support us through the Combined Federal Campaign. https://cfcgiving.opm.gov/

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源译识 | 诚邀各位评审专家参加1021（本周六）第8次译文评审会！（仅线上）
by 郭雪雯 23 Oct '23

23 Oct '23

各位评审专家好，基于近期沟通，“源译识” 许可证翻译项目拟于10月21日(本周六)下午举行第8次译文评审会，预计2.5个小时。我们非常诚挚地邀请各位评审专家参加！由于AGPLv3作为GPLv3同系列许可证，我将GPLv3和AGPLv3进行了文本比对，评审会上或可仅对diff部分的4个译文投稿进行评审，请见附件。会议主题：源译识｜第8次译文评审会会议时间：2023/10/21 14:00-16:30 (GMT+08:00) 中国标准时间 - 北京线上会议：腾讯会议——点击链接入会，或添加至会议列表：点击链接入会，或添加至会议列表： https://meeting.tencent.com/dm/XIaFZbBZwIIf #腾讯会议：330-608-766 复制该信息，打开手机腾讯会议即可参与源译识项目近期主要宣传稿件： * 源译识 | Apache License V2.0译文公示 - 20230411 * 源译识 | XimpleWare诉Versata Software等一审判决（2014） -20230807 如您有任何建议，欢迎随时联系我们！祝好！郭雪雯 Vanessa 法务与知识产权部 | 开放原子开源基金会地址：北京经济技术开发区科谷一街8号院8号楼22层2201 电话：+86 15001075763 邮箱：vanessa(a)openatom.org This email message (with attachment, if any) is from OpenAtom Foundation. It may contain proprietary and confidential information meant solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Please keep confidential and do not disclose any or all information contained herein to any third party without prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this original message and all attachments. Thank you.

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源译识 | 诚邀各位评审专家参加1021（本周六）第8次译文评审会！（仅线上）
by 郭雪雯 20 Oct '23

20 Oct '23

各位评审专家好，基于近期沟通，“源译识” 许可证翻译项目拟于10月21日(本周六)下午举行第8次译文评审会，预计2.5个小时。我们非常诚挚地邀请各位评审专家参加！由于AGPLv3作为GPLv3同系列许可证，我将GPLv3和AGPLv3进行了文本比对，评审会上或可仅对diff部分的4个译文投稿进行评审，请见附件。会议主题：源译识｜第8次译文评审会会议时间：2023/10/20 14:00-16:30 (GMT+08:00) 中国标准时间 - 北京线上会议：腾讯会议——点击链接入会，或添加至会议列表：点击链接入会，或添加至会议列表： https://meeting.tencent.com/dm/XIaFZbBZwIIf #腾讯会议：330-608-766 复制该信息，打开手机腾讯会议即可参与源译识项目近期主要宣传稿件： * 源译识 | Apache License V2.0译文公示 - 20230411 * 源译识 | XimpleWare诉Versata Software等一审判决（2014） -20230807 如您有任何建议，欢迎随时联系我们！祝好！郭雪雯 Vanessa 法务与知识产权部 | 开放原子开源基金会地址：北京经济技术开发区科谷一街8号院8号楼22层2201 电话：+86 15001075763 邮箱：vanessa(a)openatom.org This email message (with attachment, if any) is from OpenAtom Foundation. It may contain proprietary and confidential information meant solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Please keep confidential and do not disclose any or all information contained herein to any third party without prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this original message and all attachments. Thank you.

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[inquiry] Questions about several articles of GPLv3
by 郭雪雯 18 Oct '23

18 Oct '23

Dear colleagues of the Free Software Foundation(FSF) : Hope this message finds you well! We are members working on a long-term translation project named “Contransus™” initiated and hosted by the OpenAtom Foundation, a Chinese not-for-profit open source foundation established in 2020. The project is aiming at bringing consensus in open source among people speaking different languages via translation, and first of all by offering, for public and for free, credible Chinese translation of popular OSS licenses. To achieve this, we called for candidate translation scripts from the community and established a Review Panel of Experts with competence (in regard to both languages, law and open source) to work collaboratively in reviewing and revising translation scripts line by line. So far we have reviewed and approved credible translation scripts of the MIT License, the 3-Clause BSD and Apache-2.0, while the GNU GPL licenses (GPLv3, AGPLv3, LGPLv3 and GPLv2) are expected to be done by Q1 of 2024. In revising translation script of the GNU GPLv3 (FYI, see: Translation Draft and Review Minitues[CN]), our panel raised some unsettled questions, for which we are writing to seek from you, the steward of the License, kind opinions, clarification and interpretation: 1. Re Article 3: “When you convey a covered work, you waive any legal power to forbid circumvention of technological measures to the extent such circumvention is effected by exercising rights under this License with respect to the covered work, and you disclaim any intention to limit operation or modification of the work as a means of enforcing, against the work's users, your or third parties' legal rights to forbid circumvention of technological measures.” Question: There are two understandings in regard to the relation between “limit (users’) operation or modification of the work” and “enforcing ... legal right to forbid circumvention”: 1) “limit (users’) operation or modification of the work” is a means for “enforcing ... legal right to forbid circumvention”; or 2) “enforcing ... legal right to forbid circumvention” should be a means to “limit (users’) operation or modification of the work”. Please advise which one is more accurate. 2. Re Article 8: "Termination of your rights under this section does not terminate the licenses of parties who have received copies or rights from you under this License. If your rights have been terminated and not permanently reinstated, you do not qualify to receive new licenses for the same material under section 10.” Question: The phrase “same material” herein has no specific definition elsewhere in the license. We wonder if it is correct to translate it, in light of the context, as a reference to “any materials” in which “your rights have been terminated and not permanently reinstated”? We believe that this part is to make clear that an disqualified licensee could not get his license renewed simply by receiving another version of the program. 3. Re Article 11: A “contributor” is a copyright holder who authorizes use under this License of the Program or a work on which the Program is based. The work thus licensed is called the contributor's “contributor version”. A contributor's “essential patent claims” are all patent claims owned or controlled by the contributor, whether already acquired or hereafter acquired, that would be infringed by some manner, permitted by this License, of making, using, or selling its contributor version, but do not include claims that would be infringed only as a consequence of further modification of the contributor version. For purposes of this definition, “control” includes the right to grant patent sublicenses in a manner consistent with the requirements of this License. Understandings: While the “contributor” refers to copyright holder of the Program or a copyrightable upstream portion of the Program (a work on which the Program is based), there are two understandings: 1. the “contributor version” should refer to the contribution portion made by the contributor (in case of the first contributor, his contribution version could be the Program). As shown in the following graph: * “contribution version by B = the Program - the contribution version by A” * “contribution version by C = the Covered Work - the Program (i.e. the contribution version by A and B)” . 2. the “contributor version” should refer to the whole Program/covered work incoporating the contributor’s contribution. As shown in the following graph: * “contribution version by B = the Program” * “contribution version by C = the Covered Work” Questions: Further to the first understanding: whether the “essential patent claims” cover claims that would be infringed by the combination of contributor version and the rest parts contributed by others? For example, if a patent claim is infringed by the combination (rather than individually) of A’s contribution and B’s contribution, would it be granted by A if it owned/controlled by A? Or by B if it is owned/controlled by B? Or by neither in any case? Further to the second understanding: should a contributor grant his patent in regard to contribution made by his upstream developer? For example, if B holds a patent claim which is infringed only by contribution made by A, does B grant such claim to C under this License? 4. Re HOW TO APPLY THESE TERMS TO YOUR NEW PROGRAMS: “You should also get your employer (if you work as a programmer) or school, if any, to sign a “copyright disclaimer” for the program, if necessary.” Question: Two types of “copyright disclaimer” could be relevant: 1) the employer disclaims that it has no copyright/interest in the contribution while such contribution is purely personally made by the employee, and 2) the employer disclaims its copyright in the contribution while the contribution may belong to “work made for hire” and copyrighted by the employer in default. We wonder if the phrase “copyright disclaimer” should cover type 1) , 2) or both? We deeply appreciate your time and help! Please feel free to contact us if you have any comments or suggestions. Sincerely yours, Lotus Wang Vanessa Guo Contransus™ Project OPENATOM FOUNDATION

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[Translation]开放原子译文征集令投稿：AGPLv3 （修订版及清洁版）
by WANG, Heshu 16 Oct '23

16 Oct '23

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【社区意见】Apache-2.0译文审定稿的社区意见，还请各位老师评估是否能接受，感谢！
by 郭雪雯 05 Sep '23

05 Sep '23

各位评审老师您好 “源译识” Gitee仓库收到针对Apache-2.0译文审定稿的如下pr，还请各位老师评估是否能接受，感谢！ 1. 希望把定义条款中的“源码”“目标码”改为“源文件”“目标文件”，这个计算机定义上的修改请问是否可行呢？ 2. 希望把no-charge的翻译从“免交易费的”改为“免使用费的”，这点我个人理解将费用范围限缩了，是不是不可行？祝好！郭雪雯 Vanessa 法务与知识产权部 | 开放原子开源基金会地址：北京经济技术开发区科谷一街8号院8号楼22层2201 电话：+86 15001075763 邮箱：vanessa(a)openatom.org This email message (with attachment, if any) is from OpenAtom Foundation. It may contain proprietary and confidential information meant solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Please keep confidential and do not disclose any or all information contained herein to any third party without prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this original message and all attachments. Thank you.

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源译识 | 新增1份译文投稿： DFSL 德国自由软件许可证（Fenju投稿）
by 郭雪雯 16 Aug '23

16 Aug '23

各位评审老师好，向您同步，本项目Gitee平台现收到1篇开源许可证译文投稿，链接如下。 Deutsche Freie Software Lizenz / German Free Software License / 德国自由软件许可证（Fenju投稿） “源译识” 官网主页，许可证翻译项目仓库；近期主要宣传稿件：源译识 | Apache License V2.0译文公示 -20230411  非常感谢各位评审老师的支持！祝好！郭雪雯法务与知识产权部 | 开放原子开源基金会地址：北京经济技术开发区科谷一街8号院8号楼22层2201 电话：+86 15001075763 邮箱：vanessa(a)openatom.org This email message (with attachment, if any) is from OpenAtom Foundation. It may contain proprietary and confidential information meant solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Please keep confidential and do not disclose any or all information contained herein to any third party without prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this original message and all attachments. Thank you.

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源译识 | 新增1份译文投稿： 공공누리(KOGL)
by 郭雪雯 09 Aug '23

09 Aug '23

各位评审老师好，向您同步，本项目Gitee平台现收到1篇开源许可证译文投稿，链接如下。 공공누리(KOGL) 韩国开放式政府许可证（Leo投稿）许可证翻译项目仓库；近期主要宣传稿件：源译识 | Apache License V2.0译文公示 -20230411  非常感谢各位评审老师的支持！祝好！郭雪雯法务与知识产权部 | 开放原子开源基金会地址：北京经济技术开发区科谷一街8号院8号楼22层2201 电话：+86 15001075763 邮箱：vanessa(a)openatom.org This email message (with attachment, if any) is from OpenAtom Foundation. It may contain proprietary and confidential information meant solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Please keep confidential and do not disclose any or all information contained herein to any third party without prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this original message and all attachments. Thank you.

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源译识 | 新增3份译文投稿：EUPL-1.2; GPLv2; LGPLv3
by 郭雪雯 07 Aug '23

07 Aug '23

各位评审老师好，向您同步，本项目Gitee平台现收到3篇开源许可证译文投稿，链接如下。 EUPL-1.2 欧盟公共许可证第1.2版  （Vanessa投稿） GPLv2   （KUMA投稿） LGPLv3   （KUMA投稿）许可证翻译项目仓库；近期主要宣传稿件：源译识 | Apache License V2.0译文公示 -20230411  非常感谢各位评审老师的支持！祝好！郭雪雯法务与知识产权部 | 开放原子开源基金会地址：北京经济技术开发区科谷一街8号院8号楼22层2201 电话：+86 15001075763 邮箱：vanessa(a)openatom.org This email message (with attachment, if any) is from OpenAtom Foundation. It may contain proprietary and confidential information meant solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Please keep confidential and do not disclose any or all information contained herein to any third party without prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this original message and all attachments. Thank you.

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源译识 | 诚邀各位评审专家参加0806（下周日）第七次译文评审会！
by 郭雪雯 26 Jul '23

26 Jul '23

各位评审专家好，基于近期沟通，为了收尾GPL-3.0许可证译文评审工作，“源译识” 许可证翻译项目拟于8月6日(下周日)下午举行第七次译文评审会，预计3个小时。我们非常诚挚地邀请各位评审专家参加！为了更好地协作，我们建议您于会前在腾讯… 会议主题：源译识｜第7次译文评审会会议时间：2023/08/06 13:30-16:30 (GMT+08:00) 中国标准时间 - 北京线下会议：林溪茶舍——中关村融科店（海淀融科资讯中心C座B1林溪茶舍，地面地下均有停车场）线上会议：腾讯会议——点击链接入会，或添加至会议列表：点击链接入会，或添加至会议列表： https://meeting.tencent.com/dm/sn8B1pYwb8Tf #腾讯会议：335-544-644 复制该信息，打开手机腾讯会议即可参与近期主要宣传稿件：源译识 | Apache License V2.0译文公示 - 20230411  非常感谢各位评审老师的支持！如您有任何建议，欢迎随时联系我们！祝好！郭雪雯 Vanessa 法务与知识产权部 | 开放原子开源基金会地址：北京经济技术开发区科谷一街8号院8号楼22层2201 电话：+86 15001075763 邮箱：vanessa(a)openatom.org This email message (with attachment, if any) is from OpenAtom Foundation. It may contain proprietary and confidential information meant solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Please keep confidential and do not disclose any or all information contained herein to any third party without prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this original message and all attachments. Thank you.

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